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Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 22:41:00 - [1] Originally by: Phoenus F- Service. Would not deal with him again. Prone to giving out personal information of your forum users. Look ma! A troll! ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 22:49:00 - [2] Originally by: Kyguard Bad service. He knows his stuff regarding hosting, general knowledge, and working his way around problems that arise , but the positive things end there. He is a complete control freak that has a hard time listening to what his clients want him to do. He'll often make changes that he feels are right without consulting with his clients. Don't expect much freedom if you choose this service. Added to this is the fact that this admin cannot guarantee to leave an arrangement between himself and client on good terms. After he was asked to terminate his services for RQM and leave alliance-only irc, he proceeded to delete both the killboard, the forums and dump all the forum info (e-mails, passwords, private information) onto a public IRC. I do not recommend this service to anybody that wishes to have a smooth transaction and likewise service. Proof please. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:00:00 - [3] Originally by: Mnement'h Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Proof please. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=819692&page=2#39 there ya go ... straight from the man who did it ... and is claiming not to do it again ... Let me be more specific. Provide the IRC logs. So far you've given bugger all proof that he was asked to cease the hosting arrangements and leave the IRC server. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:06:00 - [4] Originally by: Eleese Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Originally by: Mnement'h Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Proof please. http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=819692&page=2#39 there ya go ... straight from the man who did it ... and is claiming not to do it again ... Let me be more specific. Provide the IRC logs. So far you've given bugger all proof that he was asked to cease the hosting arrangements and leave the IRC server. Just going on his story alone(which is purely from his view point..ie bias'd)..you think being banned from an irc channel by 1 person...warrants him publishing 100's of peoples personal information in public? So let's not go on the story alone. You've got nothing to lose if Seleene really did what you are all saying he did. Oh, and for the record, I'd do exactly the same thing. Eye for an eye. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:09:00 - [5] Originally by: Mnement'h Since I don't have leadership access but my personal info was dumped on the net let me ask you this ... where is his proof that what he claims is true ? ... from myh perspecitve all I can see is he dumped 100+ ppl's info onto the open net cause he is **ed ? There just is no excuse for that ... anyways you know the rules of the game ... you leave a corp / alliance your access gets cut immediately ... on all fronts ... we don't all go emo about it and start sharing other ppl's info to vent ... especially not if we are the ones claiming to have a good, reliable hosting service ... imagine that you ** a bank clerk off in RL and he just dumps all your account info and all your personal info onto his blog ? ... would he in any way be justified even if you told him you don't want to use his bank's services any more ? Internet spaceships are serious business I hear. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:23:00 - [6] Originally by: RuleoftheBone The OP has released the personal details of alliance pilots (to include emails and apparently password data). There are no excuses. If you have an issue take it up with the individual you have an issue with. Thank you for dragging hundreds of innocent players into your personal bullshit. Should a corporation member not suffer the same consequences as the corporation's CEO and vice versa if mistakes are made? Are they not responsible? RQM have provided no evidence to the contrary that this was a hostile intention towards their hosting provider. What you got as a result is merely a reaction to your action. Shit sucks yeah, but you brought it upon yourself. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Mnement'h Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Originally by: RuleoftheBone The OP has released the personal details of alliance pilots (to include emails and apparently password data). There are no excuses. If you have an issue take it up with the individual you have an issue with. Thank you for dragging hundreds of innocent players into your personal bullshit. Should a corporation member not suffer the same consequences as the corporation's CEO and vice versa if mistakes are made? Are they not responsible? RQM have provided no evidence to the contrary that this was a hostile intention towards their hosting provider. What you got as a result is merely a reaction to your action. Shit sucks yeah, but you brought it upon yourself. At some point I tought this might not have been a trolling session but it went that way ... this is an out of game occurance ... he posted PERSONAL INFO on the net ... has nothing to do with the alliance or the game ... or who leads whome and how ... btw. there is an explanation from leadership in the other thread so read it ... You're still trying to justify why you did what you did without providing anything to back up what you say. Either way...meh. You're mixing in game and out of game in an attempt to disrupt someones operations because his bite is just as harmful as his bark. Personally, a guy who can do that is a damn excellent hosting provider 'cause you can't screw around with him. For the record, it's not a troll. Just pointing out the flaws in your damage control. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:35:00 - [8] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Sofia Roseburn Originally by: RuleoftheBone The OP has released the personal details of alliance pilots (to include emails and apparently password data). There are no excuses. If you have an issue take it up with the individual you have an issue with. Thank you for dragging hundreds of innocent players into your personal bullshit. Should a corporation member not suffer the same consequences as the corporation's CEO and vice versa if mistakes are made? Are they not responsible? RQM have provided no evidence to the contrary that this was a hostile intention towards their hosting provider. What you got as a result is merely a reaction to your action. Shit sucks yeah, but you brought it upon yourself. Wonder who's alt you might be. So you're saying that an impartial servie provider should publish people email addresses and hashed passwords at whim? And that is ok. Well fair enough you ahve that opinion. Anyone who is deciding to use this service has to bear this in mind, especially as it's by his own admission. "i updated the post with a better bagground story, and i agree the sql release thingy was prolly not the smartest move" You takes your money and you makes your choice...... I lol'd. To narcissistic to be an alt, and please, if you require proof, SHC is all you need. You waived your right to privacy when you registered on his server. You consented to give him your passwords, and if you use the same passwords for everything then that's your own damn fault. He released the dump because you treated him like shit, even though he put himself out of pocket to assist you. Who's the bastard again? ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:49:00 - [9] Originally by: Mnement'h Originally by: Sofia Roseburn You're still trying to justify why you did what you did without providing anything to back up what you say. Either way...meh. You're mixing in game and out of game in an attempt to disrupt someones operations because his bite is just as harmful as his bark. Personally, a guy who can do that is a damn excellent hosting provider 'cause you can't screw around with him. For the record, it's not a troll. Just pointing out the flaws in your damage control. this was a long post but in the end I cut it back because you'll keep trolling no matter how much proof you are provided with ... please continue trolling and I;ll continue telling ppl just how screwed they will be one day when emokid here decides their alliance killed his favorite ship ... Aye, I'm definitely trolling. Let's not even remember that you still haven't provided any evidence to the contrary, and given BDCI's track record, people are more likely to believe Karbo unless you can provide substantial evidence to the contrary. Funny how anyone who doesn't agree is a troll :/ Originally by: "Hans Roaming" Actually I did nothing, but this person betrayed my personal trust and his tatement of protecting my privacy on the site and published the email address I'd used on there and the has of the password I used. Now if he was upset with RQM he could discontinue the service, no one would be upset by that at all, what we're upset about is that he published our personal information in SHC IRC, including possibly the TRI peple who are here defending him as well. You think that is how a service provider is supposed to behave? In that situation? No, but he's already admitted that in hindsight it wasn't a good idea. That's what you get for treating your service provider like shit, especially when he's providing his service for free. ---
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.10 23:57:00 - [10] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Sofia Roseburn [That's what you get for treating your service provider like shit, especially when he's providing his service for free. Actually I didn't treat him like shit, I agreed to his terms of service and because someone in my alliance upset him he published my personal information in public contrary to those terms as opposed to just shutting the service down which I'd totally agree he his entitled to do and would not have any complaint about. If you peronally are happy with this service then go ahead, just hope no one in your alliance or corp ban him from your IRC channels. We ban him all the time. It's all cool. Looks like you did something wrong. ---

Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:13:00 - [11] Originally by: RuleoftheBone This has zero to do with EvE. Pretty much. I'm pretty sure there's also a clause in the T&C there that the hoster reserves the right to change/void the rights of any user at any time. It's kind of sad that you're bringing something that happened OOG to the forums. IRC drama isn't for the forums the last time I checked. --- It's me. I'm the CEO in the OP.
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:24:00 - [12] Originally by: Hans Roaming Originally by: Sofia Roseburn It's kind of sad that you're bringing something that happened OOG to the forums. IRC drama isn't for the forums the last time I checked. In the forum thread advertising his OOG services? We're just former customers sharing our experience in here. Doesn't work when you terminate the contract due to issues on your end. You caused the problem. Furthermore, ebay is completely different. There is money involved there. Karbo hosted your stuff out of his own pocket, and it's only when he asked for a little back that you all started to get stuck up. Once again, your own fault. --- It's me. I'm the CEO in the OP.
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.11 00:56:00 - [13] Originally by: RuleoftheBone "Pretty sure" is meaningless. And sure can't check it now eh? And what else does one do? Report the individual concerned to his ISP? Yeah right....I'm sure he is losing sleep over that . With no further recourse I have EVERY right to bring my complaints regarding his service and violation of trust right here. In public. An apology to the hundreds of pilots dragged into the individual's game of EGO-online would be a start. And as for your commentary re:OOG to forums...that cat is well out of the bag in CAOD-cesspool. Out-of-context quoting=fail btw. EDITDespicable is appropriate....in spades. Aye, I wonder why we can't check it. Can it be that RQM's alliance leadership was so stuck up they couldn't sit down and actually talk to the guy that was hosting their boards out of his own pocket? Hell, isn't that what Karbo tried to do regarding the domain and was given a very blunt, and not to mention rude response? Sure, he'd left the alliance, so what? If you felt that the contract should have been terminated then you should have sat down and talked, not taken the scenic route whilst trying to avoid morality at the same time by banning him. Your fault as an alliance for failing to communicate. You can bring your complaints here, sure. Do it in a decent fashion, not as some smear campaign because you feel that you've been wronged even though you as an alliance were the cause. Bring some evidence to the table before you open your mouth. It's not smart, and it certainly doesn't make you look like you are in the right. At least Karbo has the decency to say when he's done something wrong, and he's admitted he regrets it. Is your alliance leadership mature enough to do the same? Furthermore, in regards to Karbowiak apologizing, why should he? You started the thing, and what happened was merely cause and effect, no matter what the effect was. Although...I suppose it's better to see the splinter in someone elses eye than the log in your own. I think that ties in nicely to your participation in EGO Online. Fail is appropriate in spades in regards to your alliances attempts at damage control on the issue. You have still to substantiate your argument with any solid evidence, be it logs or whatever else. So yeah, in light of your recent recruitment thread...decent corporation my ass. (BTW, that bit is trolling, just to clarify. You guys seem to have a bit of trouble with the literary translation). --- It's me. I'm the CEO in the OP.
Sofia Roseburn Caldari Verdant Inquiries	Posted - 2008.07.11 01:24:00 - [14] Originally by: Mnement'h You can keep retelling the same BS all over again but other than his word I have yet to see one single piece of evidence that RQM leadership did what he claims we did ...and you are basing your whole 'holier than thou' attitude on the fact that he claims we did it to him and you are asking for evidence to the contrary ... so you are making us guilty until proven otherwise ... on the other hand your protegee here has admitted to dumping all the private data on the net (committed the rhetorical crime) and based his defense on his claims that we wronged him even tho he hasn't provided a single proof to substantiate the claim ... ... so either you ask him to post proof as well or you stfu because right now you are just one more of his alts trying to bail his ass out of a seriously messed up situation in which he has lost face and the trust of many people who are reading these lines atm. ****zle ... grow up ... EDIT : ... so kai refused to pay for a domain transfer and he dumps it all on the net ? ... that's a new version of overreacting ... You need to see the above post really. Also Hans, seems you're coming round to the logical side of things. He's admitted he regrets it, but due to Dacovale/Seleene's treatment of him on IRC it's probably justified. --- It's me. I'm the CEO in the OP.

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